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  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 01:22AM UTC

    Oh ok if ya had steam ya can play both games

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    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 01:23AM UTC

      Steam I do not have.

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      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 01:27AM UTC

        Oh ok anyways great games interesting twists locations are used that wasn't visited in the first two games don't exactly want to spoil it but there are twists surrounding crow and millium

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        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 01:34AM UTC

          I know about what happens with those two, make no mistake. I have definite plans regarding Crow (remember the "massive AU" part) and am looking for workarounds with Millium. I've certainly got time, inasmuch as the story hasn't even reached the halfway mark for the first game.

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          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:14AM UTC

            Oh ok just wasn't sure

            ya they died but they do come back to life

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            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:16AM UTC

              I understand. Even now I'm still working a lot out; for example, it wasn't until I'd written a couple of chapters that I realized Jusis Albarea is one of my favorites.

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              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:18AM UTC

                Just wait till you have to write about the new members of class 7 from cold steel 3 and 4

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                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:24AM UTC

                  Those new members will have their roles significantly reduced. This is probably my biggest problem with III and IV.

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                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:27AM UTC

                    Oh ok

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                    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 02:40AM UTC

                      I hope I didn't put you off with that particular tidbit. I'm well aware it will spark controversy.

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                      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 12:22PM UTC

                        Oh no I can't wait to see how u handle 3 and 4
                        You know when I aged 3 and 4 I visited towns that was visited by group b in 1 and 2 like parm and a few others

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                        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 03:18PM UTC

                          From a strictly out of universe standpoint, there are two main issues. First, the sheer number of characters would swiftly become unmanageable (thus reducing the role of the new class is but the first step in paring things down). Second, I would never finish it because I wouldn't enjoy writing it; after seeing II's needlessly bittersweet ending (frankly I call BS on the very existence of the accelerated curriculum, given the nature of Thors in general and Class VII in particular), I'd been looking forward to more adventures for Rean and his friends, only to be hit by what amounts to a bait-and-switch.

                          In-universe, there are two more significant issues. One, Rean's story and development are inextricably bound to the original Class VII; in effect, his story and theirs are one and the same. As such, reducing their role can only be detrimental. Two, when endgame enemies from II are appearing early on (including McBurn), and Rean is considering using Spirit Unification in an early encounter before Laura appears to take care of business, for the new class to be portrayed as anything other than a hindrance, operationally speaking, until very late strains my suspension of disbelief well past the breaking point.

                          Anyway. Apologies if that comes across as a rant; I simply wanted to make sure my reasoning was clear.

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                          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 03:21PM UTC

                            So you plan on doing ur version of 3 and 4 and not going to use the new members that was introduced right

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                            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 04:25PM UTC

                              It's not that I don't plan to use them at all, only that they won't be part of the main cast. One thing I forgot to mention, the above criticisms do not in the main apply to Altina, an already-extant character with a legitimate role to play.

                              More generally, I have two possible scenarios; which one I use will depend on how my version of II plays out. One would be relatively close to canon, with the rest of the original Class VII (possibly excluding Millium) brought in as a kind of special training cadre, taking advantage of their experience in the recent civil war. (With a different principal; I have issues, to put it mildly, with Aurelia Le Guin.)

                              Second would require fudging the timeline, but there are going to be so many changes that it's kind of a given. It would have the new class starting at the main branch while the originals are in their second year.

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                              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 04:44PM UTC

                                I would go with the second option and bring in the new class 7 from 3 and 4 as first yrs while the original class 7 is in their second yr have Elise transfer make it so her and altina are a part of class 7 and have big roles

                                 

                                In the mean time juna Kurt musse and ash can still be used but have minor roles and they also be first yrs

                                3 and they made George a villian that sucked I prefer it where he's on staff at thors to handle maintenance

                                Also an addtion use elements from 3 and 4 like locations to travel. Basically use locations that wasn't visited in one and two like parm ordis

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                                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 04:54PM UTC

                                  A friend and fellow Trails fan advised much the same thing, on the grounds that it's more fresh. Way ahead of you on Elise; we know from the start of the second game that she's ARCUS compatible, and the fact that Rean lets her come along for the Reverie Corridor is proof enough that she's good in a fight.

                                  I agree completely regarding George, and have already thought of an alternate path for him. In essence, while he eventually remembers being "Copper Georg," that persona is buried so deep in his psyche that he never really becomes him again.

                                  Already intended to use locales from III and IV, given that the field studies in question would still take place in either plotline. On a related note, I've a couple of important changes that do focus on the new class. First is I would try to follow up on the ship tease Juna and Kurt get in III; making her (and Musse) a possible love interest for Rean was idiotic in the extreme. The other is Juna gets over her resentment of Rean implausibly quickly, so I would stretch that out a bit more.

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                                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:04PM UTC

                                    Ya musse having an interest in rean is wrong two ya may have to expand the entire dorms

                                    Another thing I forgot is all the branch campus students that are from class 8 and 9 make them first yrs

                                    An addition to having George on staff doing maintenance have him train a few others

                                    If ya plan to include tita put her in the new class 7 as well

                                    Sorry not trying to tell ya how to write this I have a habit throwing in alot of ideas

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                                    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:23PM UTC

                                      For some amusement, I had the idea of Rean succeeding Towa as Studen Council president. Kind of a learning experience, given that one way or another he's going to have to deal with plenty of administrative stuff later on.

                                      The matter of George is part of a larger effort on my part. IMO the second half of the Erebonia arc got a little too dark, so I'm trying to ease that a little. Ironically, I find the second game isn't dark enough; seriously, a bloody civil war, and all of two named characters buy it, one of them temporarily? Strains credulity just a bit.

                                      Tita, I suppose Alisa might make a good mentor figure.

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                                      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:37PM UTC

                                        I know right but still but that's what I think all the class 8 and 9 students should be first yrs at thors

                                        For the new class 7 Juna Kurt ash musse tita cedric(yes that cedric the prince) altina Elise Ada and fritz(actual characters in 3 and 4 look em up they were in 3 and 4 part of cedrics group at the main branch) Altina. Tita can be George's apprentice.

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                                        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:51PM UTC

                                          We shall have to see what happens. Aside from basics like the original Class VII staying as the primary cast, much of this is speculative for obvious reasons.

                                          Ah, Cedric Reise Arnor. I know something of what he's like in the later games. Makes Rean and Crow's efforts in the Infernal Castle seem like a waste.

                                          I should probably mention I do not object to new blood per se; necessary to keep the story fresh if nothing else. My objection is it is done at the expense of the original Class VII, especially in III, which is to the detriment of both the overall narrative and Rean's personal development.

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                                          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:58PM UTC

                                            True New student should look up to older students for guidance

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                                            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:01PM UTC

                                              Especially when the older students have more experience than a lot of regular soldiers ever get.

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                                              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:09PM UTC

                                                So true any word on when you plan on getting new chapter out

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                                                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:13PM UTC

                                                  I'm going to get started within the next couple of days, barring external complications. As to when it will be finished, I can't venture to guess, though I do hope to take less than three months this time.

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                                                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:56PM UTC

                                                    Can't wait to see more

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                                                    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 07:07PM UTC

                                                      Can't wait to write more, especially when Laura reenters the story. Considering that relationship is one of the main reasons I started this story (my original plan was a postwar one-shot, until I decided a full novelization was the only way to do it justice), that's kinda important.

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                                                      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 07:09PM UTC

                                                        You can also get a Nintendo switch and get 3 and 4 there

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                                                        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 07:34PM UTC

                                                          That's unlikely to happen anytime soon for a variety of reasons. As I mentioned earlier, I've had significant financial issues for pretty much my entire life; even the PS3 was acquired secondhand not long before the PS5 was announced.

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                                                          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 07:41PM UTC

                                                            My ps4 was bought second hand don't feel bad

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                                                            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 07:54PM UTC

                                                              I don't feel bad at all. To be honest, with each generation there seem to be fewer games I care about. For the record, my very first was the original Super Mario Brothers on Christmas 1987.

                                                              Oh, been meaning to ask, what made you pick Alisa for Rean's girl? Not criticizing by any means, eye of the beholder and all that, but I am curious.

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                                                              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 11:04PM UTC

                                                                Idk probably due to fact when I first played it was hinted that she had a crush on rean

                                                                1987 God I remember that yr very well I was almost 8 when my sister was born that yr

                                                                My first game system was an atari

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                                                                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 11:13PM UTC

                                                                  For me, it needs more than that. I was convinced Laura was the best as early as Celdic, when she asked Rean if he liked the path of the sword (thus the title of this story).

                                                                  Well, so you're a bit older than I am. I was five when I got my first NES.

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                                                                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Mon 20 Sep 2021 11:47PM UTC

                                                                    I was born in 79

                                                                    I had so many options ok fie Laura alfin elise towa Sara all confirmed love interests as well as alisa Emma I think to

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                                                                    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:06AM UTC

                                                                      And while they're not options, I'm pretty sure Claire Rieveldt and Duvalie of all people are hinted to be at least interested.

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                                                                      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:20AM UTC

                                                                        Ya since duvalie actually joined reans group in the final game weird how she had that glow like the rest of class 7 when she wasn't part of the group

                                                                        FYI that lv was great the black workshop part I mean

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                                                                        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:27AM UTC

                                                                          Duvalie at least is funny, though I don't buy what she's able to pull in the Infernal Castle. She should have been barely able to move.

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                                                                          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:29AM UTC

                                                                            Ikr and then she becomes an ally in 4 geesh make up ur minds

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                                                                            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:53AM UTC

                                                                              I've no objection to her becoming an ally. My problem here is way too many cases of either outright unwinnable boss fights or fights you think you've won only for it to turn out to be a failure after all. I cite Rufus in the notes for the first chapter, another example is Crow in the Heimdallr catacombs. I do not buy him being able to solo Rean, Laura, and Fie simultaneously, especially since he does clearly lose a mere two months later.

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                                                                              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:05AM UTC

                                                                                Right I find it crazy myself

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                                                                                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:12AM UTC

                                                                                  Now, there are a couple I don't mind. McBurn, for example, at least in his debut, seeing as the guy's outright haxx. Then there's the impromptu boss fight against Sara when Jusis and Machias are being idiots, and of course Rean's duel with Viscount Arseid.

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                                                                                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:22AM UTC

                                                                                    Lol I cried at the ending for 4 when shera and olivert got married it was great everyone was there

                                                                                    Ok besides rean and laura what other pairs do you tend to create

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                                                                                    1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:36AM UTC

                                                                                      As the tags indicate, I plan on pairing Elliot with Fie, also considering Jusis and Emma.

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                                                                                      1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:54AM UTC

                                                                                        I prefer machias and Emma idk why but some reason those two seem more of a fit gauis ended up with linde I think canon wise Elliot ended up with mint.

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                                                                                        1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 01:58AM UTC

                                                                                          I've heard Elliot dated Mint at some point, dunno if it went farther than that.

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                                                                                          1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:10AM UTC

                                                                                            I would go with that fie idk she might be into girls and boys or something I think millium likes jusis

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                                                                                            1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:13AM UTC

                                                                                              Elliot and Fie just seem to click for me. I'm well aware of Millium's attachment to Jusis; trouble is she's a perpetual loli, which makes it just a little too creepy.

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                                                                                              1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:24AM UTC

                                                                                                And Emma and machias works for me both great art users machias has a few status inflicting crafts and some healing crafts

                                                                                                That leaves alisa and jusis without someone

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                                                                                                1. Dragoon_Swordsman on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:29AM UTC

                                                                                                  I'll see how things progress. Elliot and Fie is the only secondary pairing I've firmly decided on.

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                                                                                                  1. Raynos3497 on Chapter 8 Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:35AM UTC

                                                                                                    Oh ok

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