Comment on Proposed Changes to the Archive of Our Own's Terms of Service and Frequently Asked Questions

  1. Although it may seem neither fair nor right for someone to pull a challenge or gift fic, I strongly disagree with the decision not to allow creators full rights over their content, including the right to pull a work from a collection or a challenge. Whenever you have a social fandom thing, including challenges and collections, you'll have fanwank, but I believe that the creator's right on their works should trump enforced politeness. Does that mean that some people are free to be jerks about it? Probably, but the alternative seems worse.

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      Hi HawkeyeState,

      These are minor changes to our existing Terms of Service. Several unrelated sections are being changed. The bold parts are being added and the sections in brackets [ ] are being removed. Anything not bold or in brackets is already part of the existing Terms of Service which you agreed to when you joined the Archive.

      I believe this section, which is already a part of the ToS may be responsible for some confusion: There is one important special rule: if the collection maintainer says in the rules that submissions are final, then you can't withdraw your contribution from the collection, though you can always orphan it.

      Users have full control over their works. They can post, delete, or orphan any works, including those in collections. However, mods may have rules outlining penalties for removing works from collections and Archive admins will not intercede in how collections/challenges are managed. Since this part is a bit confusing, I will bring it back to the committees for discussion.

      Matty
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        I've never had any problems with the AO3, but I have to say copy/pasting almost the exact same reply to every single person who brings up an issue does not make it seem like you care about that issue at all, even if it is the most succinct answer you have to their concerns...

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        1. This might be a cultural bias. I don't see anything wrong with it, or how else the org is supposed to answer. What would you do, given that you would be speaking on behalf of an org, as you say it is the most succinct answer, and you are a volunteer with many other time commitments?

          Carefully thought out form answers are standard business practice. The want for personalization and special treatment might be due to your Nationality or age or job?

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        2. If people are asking the same question, I don't see a problem with it. It's at least a better practice than not responding at all and assuming they are reading the answer posted to someone else's question, which is something I've seen other sites/organizations do.

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        Since this part is a bit confusing, I will bring it back to the committees for discussion.

        I think that would be a very good thing and I look forward to clarified wording. While I am glad the Archive supports challenge runners or collection maintainers in this way, I don't think it needs to be a special rule, and should be dealt with between collection maintainers & challenge runners and their participants. Collection maintainers & challenge runners can still have the right to say what behaviour falls within the rules of their challenge, without particular aspects of those rules needing to be part of the TOS as well.

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